Sick and dying puppies and Felony Forgery charges? Just another day in retail rescue.

P&T Puppy Love Adoption Center is a rescue store located in Cherry Hill NJ that has been dealing with a huge Parvo virus problem which according to their own statement involves “three litters” of puppies. Many of those puppies were adopted out to the unsuspecting public including some that were adopted AFTER the rescue center knew of Parvo being confirmed by a veterinarian. Unfortunately, some of those adopted puppies have succumbed to their illness, and even those that survived have left their owners with thousands of dollars in vet bills.

P&T has refused to take responsibility for any of the cost, leaving customers both emotionally and financially devastated, claiming that they are not liable to reimburse for vet bills as per NJ Pet Lemon Laws because they are a “rescue” and do not fall under the legal obligations to reimburse customers.  Vet bills that would in fact be reimbursable if the customers had purchased their puppies from a NJ pet store or breeder, up to double the purchase price.  So, if not legally obligated to reimburse and assist their customers during this ordeal, what about P&T being morally obligated? More on that question in a moment…

RAW has confirmed through a copy of a USDA #7001 form that at least some of the dozens of sick and dead puppies from P&T have come from a Georgia rescue broker by the name of Tina Lane who is affiliated with the Friends of Georgia Shelter Dogs. This rescue broker who openly admitted in online posts to sending P&T a lot of “healthy and sick puppies” because P&T “has never told me no” has a whole lot of explaining to do to authorities, and so does P&T!

 

RAW sources have confirmed that Tina Lane has already been questioned by a detective from her local Sheriff’s office regarding this USDA #7001 form (and others she may have written) and FELONY FORGERY CHARGES seem imminent. These charges stem from the fact that the veterinarian’s signature on the form is FAKE and was forged by Tina.  The veterinarian, who is innocent of all of these actions and actually works in a different state, is certainly not happy to be dragged into this matter simply because rescue broker Tina decided to break the law to forge documents so that sick puppies could be transported interstate to P&T’s retail rescue and adopted out to unsuspecting NJ consumers!

And Tina’s troubles don’t end there. RAW has confirmed that the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) that oversees interstate transportation and the #7001 forms that Tina forged have also been contacted, and their office will be investigating just how deep these forgeries go and how many sick puppies have been shipped to NJ as well as other states that were not examined by a licensed veterinarian as per regulations, with possibly more charges being filed against rescue broker Tina in the days ahead.

So what about P&T’s responsibility in all of this?  According to news articles, the owner Pat Youman originally opened his location as a pet shop, selling puppies purchased from breeders and therefore had to abide by strict state pet lemon laws which cover consumers for illness up to double the purchase price. Think about that for a moment. If a pet shop in NJ sells a sick puppy for $600.00, they are FINANCIALLY responsible for paying up to $1200.00 in vet bills to treat the puppy. In addition, if the puppy dies, the pet shop is responsible to give a full REFUND of the purchase price AND double the purchase price for vet bills, which could account for a total refund of $1800.00 on a $600.00 sale.

 

That single regulation alone is BIG incentive for a pet shop in NJ to sell healthy puppies, simply because the math shows that if they consistently sell sick puppies they would not be able to sustain in business, and selling puppies would certainly not be a cost effective source of revenue for a pet shop business. So what was the alternative for Pat Youman, who wanted to keep refunds down and sales up? For Pat Youman, the answer came easily to him, and the answers name was Alan Braslow.

Pat Youman’s pet shop was picketed weekly for months by Animal Rights activist Alan Braslow and some of his followers pushing their “adopt don’t shop” philosophy and citing how many animals are sitting in NJ shelters that could be adopted through Pat’s store. Struggling to stay afloat with restrictive regulations and poor profits, Braslow convinced Youman that “a retail rescue model” was the better way to go. While this all sounds warm and fuzzy and a good idea in theory, the facts of this case tell a much darker story.

Braslow eagerly helped Youman convert the pet shop to the current rescue model but Youman quickly realized that finding a local source for puppies was not as simple as Alan Braslow led Pat Youman to believe.  Not a single shelter or rescue in the state was willing to work with Pat and Alan. The first question that comes to mind is WHY? If Alan Braslow was a local activist why did he have not a single connection to an IN state source for homeless animals?

Ironically, Alan’s solution to Pat’s problem was at the expense of the state of NJ, its own homeless pets, and NJ consumers. Alan and Pat would initially solve the issue of not being able to source locally by simply importing puppies from out of the country, Puerto Rico to be exact. Soon after, they would add more shipments from southern states such as Tennessee and Georgia. Business was so good that they opened a second location in Toms River NJ, with more puppies coming up from out of the country and southern states. But what about Alan’s claims to want to help local adoptable pets? Why does NJ need MORE homeless pets coming into the state? If they are bringing MORE homeless animals into the state, exactly what PROBLEM are they SOLVING? For Pat and Alan and their new enterprise, perhaps the answer is as simple as math and economics.

 

P&T Puppy Love Adoption Center, Toms River.

P&T Puppy Love Adoption Center – Cherry Hill

Here are the hard cold numbers, you do the math, it’s simple economics. P&T states in writing that it charges up to $600.00 as an “adoption” fee for the puppies. RAW sources tell us that some out of state rescue brokers can sell those puppies for as little as $22.00, listed as a “transfer fee”. That’s a heck of a markup for puppies that can come in and be adopted out on the same day, costing zero overhead in care. RAW has also been told that P&T utilizes volunteers to care for the puppies, so there are no annoying employee expenses to deal with either. And those cumbersome and costly NJ regulations that cut into a pet shop or breeders profits? Apparently Pat and Alan believe that they are immune to those regulations. Without having to be bothered by having to provide a warrantee to protect customers in case of illness, there are no pesky refunds to worry about! Problem solved! Cha-ching cha-ching, the cash registers stays full.

So exactly what does Pat Youman, Alan Braslow, and P&T offer to it’s customers to justify that $600.00 fee? As it turns out nothing. Other than the puppy itself, P&T clearly outlines in writing that it has a no refund policy and “does not take responsibility for any medical fees incurred”. P&T does not spay/neuter its puppies, (unless the puppy has been previously altered by the out of state source, it’s the consumer’s obligation to have it done), Shots and wormings? Well, considering what has been going on with dozens of puppies potentially infected with the deadly Parvo virus, that answer seems pretty clear.

Alan and Pat need to answer for their potential roles in the transport of puppies into the state on a forged veterinarian certificate from their rescue broker, Tina Lane. If they were willing to “never say no” to taking “sick” puppies as Tina openly admitted to, what else were they willing to do to ensure they had a steady supply of cheap puppies coming in from her to fill their cash registers?

Alan and Pat also have a LOT of explaining to do regarding the timeline of when they knew there was a Parvo problem in their store(s) and how many puppies they continued to adopt out AFTER they knew.  RAW has also been informed that some of the puppies initially exposed to Parvo were transferred to their Toms River location which remains open, exposing more puppies and more customers to this problem.

Alan and Pat have smugly maintained through online posts on their Facebook page and other pages to their customers that they are not liable for reimbursements of vet bills. But is that true? The truth is in the details. RAW will continue to provide updates on this story as we continue to investigate and take it where it leads us.

Comments

  1. jan Dykema

    WOW just WOW thank you for your continuing investigation of these “flippers”. Every legislators should be aware of this as the HSUS etc tries to push breeders and pet stores out of NJ GREAT WORK

  2. Cheri Borgstrom

    I think this article is really unfair to Alan Braslow. He’s not a business partner making money off of this. He pushed for legislatuon for puppy mill stores in the county to close down or convert to adoption. He helped Youmans convert to rescue model hoping to help animals.

    Youmans on the other hand is a deplorable man who sees animals like objects instead of living things. Putting the two men on the same level is profoundly unfair and irresponsible reporting.

    And just because a puppy was born out of the country doesn’t make it any less worth saving or finding a forever home for. That’s a really weird mentality.

  3. 921 beachgirl

    Doesn’t NJ law state a rescue must give dog shots and be altered before it goes home.Breeders have to give shots.No excuse for parvo,none,someone along the line should be giving shots.These guys must be clueless and bringing sick dogs into NJ is criminal.

  4. Lalalandlady69

    Whether or not Breslow’s role in this horrendous situation unfolding here in nj was born of good intent or some other motivating factor, It may have come as a blessing in disguise seeing how it is exposing the problems this type of rescue model is rife with its own problems which will only give REAL rescue a bad name. Clearly, Mr Breslow’s idea for this business model was a bit premature & lacked any credible research into the feasibility of the plan. As it stands, REAL rescue has been invaded by puppy flippers – that is “rescues” which obtain puppies (mostly from southern states) via any means available. They routinely & consistently offer puppies they “save” despite those puppies never having been offered for adoption at its point of origin, so what are they saving them from? Then there is the example set by another group (and this is only one of MANY OTHERS operating similarly) which transports HUNDREDS of puppies from the south, EVERY 28 DAYS and disributes them to other “rescues”, shelters, and directly to prearranged adopters directly off transport. IMHO, the bill that sits on the Governors desk does nothing to address the crux of the problem which is PLAGUING NJ….THE MASSIVE TRANSPORTING OF PUPPIES FROM THE SOUTH AND CALLING IT RESCUE.
    I am typing the rest in all caps not because I’m yelling but for emphasis and visability.

    NOW I WANT EVERYONE TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING HERE…FIRST OF ALL… NJ ALREADY HAS MANY MANY RESCUES & TRANSPORTS BRINGING PUPPIES FROM THE SOUTH & WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER SOURCES -BECAUSE LETS FACE IT….AINT LIKE ANYBODY IS WAITING AT THE STATELINE CHECKING DOCUMENTS OR AUTHANTICITY NOW ARE THEY? THAT SAID, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT PUPPIES ARE A HOT COMMODITY THESE DAYS. I WANT EVERYONE TO PONDER – WHERE EXACTLY IS THIS SEEMINGLY ENDLESS SUPPLY OF PUPPIES COMING FROM EXACTLY?? THERE ARE MULTIPLE TRANSPORTERS BRINGING SOUTHERN PUPPIES TO NJ & FURTHER NORTH EVERY WEEKEND. ONE TRANSPORTER IN PARTICULAR BRINGS 300-500 PUPPIES TO NJ EVERY 28 DAYS CONSISTENTLY. WHEN IS THE LAST TIME ANYONE SAW FREE PUPPIES SIGNS ANYWHERE? DOES ANYONE THINK THAT SOUTHERNERS ARE NOT AWARE OF THIS DEMAND AS WELL AS THE PRICES PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR PUPPIES HERE IN NJ? ESPECIALLY IN THE WAKE OF HOW QUICKLY THEY ARE SEEMINGLY SCOOPED UP FROM THEIR MIDST? DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS NOT ONLY SCOURING EVERY SOUTHERN SHELTER BUT ALSO HUNTING DOWN EVERY CRAIGSLIST, NEWSPAPER CLASSIFIED & SIGNS ON FRONT LAWNS OR WHATEVER IN ORDER TO PROVIDE FOR THE NUMBERS OF PUPPIES WE SEE BEING TRANSPORTED TO ALL THESE RECUES & EVEN SOME SHELTERS HERE? DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT THESE ARE ALL FREE PUPPIES OR THAT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WITH PUPPIES ARE SO CHARITABLE THEMSELVES THAT THEY WOULDNT LOOK TO GET A PIECE OF THE ACTION KNOWING THAT THEIR PUPPIES ARE FETCHING A MINIMUM OF $$400-$$600 ON AVERAGE HERE IN NJ? AND DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THOSE SCOURING THE STREETS, SHELTERS, CLIST ADS AND WHEREVER ELSE THEY ARE GATHERING UP ALL THESE PUPPIES ARE GOING THROUGH ALL THOSE TROUBLES OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS KNOWING THAT THE 10 PUPPIES THEY JUST DROPPED OFF COULD BE WORTH UPWARDS OF SIX GRAND & THEY SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS OF THEIR TIME & THEN GAS MONEY & TOLLS FOR THE OWNER OF SOME RETAIL RESCUE TO REAP ALL THE REWARDS? IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE. WHILE THERE MAYBE A MORE PUPPIES BORN IN THE SOUTH BECAUSE PEOPLE DONT SPAY & NEUTER…THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY ACCIDENTAL PREGNANCIES TO BE STATISTICALLY ABLE TO PROVIDE ENOUGH FREE PUPPIES TO ACCOUNT FOR THE COMBINED QUANTITIES WHICH ARE COMING TO NJ AND FURTHER NORTH ON A WEEKLY BASIS. ANYONE WHO DOESNT SEE THAT THE ONLY WAY THE MULTITUDE OF PUPPY FLIPPERS AND ADDITIONALLY THE SHELTERS & OTHER RESCUES WHICH TAKE PUPPIES BECAUSE THEY WANT IN ON SOME QUICK CASH TO OFFSET THE EXPENSES OF RUNNING REAL RESCUES &/OR SHELTERS. EVERY REAL RESCUE I KNOW VETS THEIR DOGS/PUPPIES AVAILABLE FOR ADOPTION. AGE APPROPRIATE DOGS ARE FIXED & CHIPPED PRIOR TO ADOPTION, THOSE TOO YOUNG OR WITH REASON, NOT FIXED, ARE REQUIRED TO LEAVE SUBSTANTIAL DEPOSITS WHICH ARE REFUNDED AFTER PROOF OF S&N IS PROVIDED OR ADOPTION IS NOT FINALIZED UNTIL S&N IF COMPLETED. LEGIT RESCUES STAND BEHIND THEIR DOGS FOR LIFE AND SPEND THOUSANDS IN VET BILLS FOR WHICH THEY USE ADOPTION FEES, SOLICIT DONATIONS & HAVE & HOLD MANY CREATIVE FUNDRAISERS TO GENERATE FUNDS NEEDED TO PAY EXPENSES INCL MEDICAL THAT THE RESCUE INCURS. IF THE BUSINESS MODEL THE MR YOUMAN & MR BRESLOW DEVELOPED FOR THIS BRICK & MORTAR RETAIL RESCUE CAN NOT AFFORD TO COVER THE HEALTH ISSUES WHICH THE PUPPIES THEY “RESCUE” PRESENT WHETHER BEFORE OR AFTER THEY ARE “ADOPTED” THEN THEY SHOULDNT BE RESCUING AT ALL OR SHOULD BE TWEAKING THEIR BUSINESS PLAN TO INCLUDE SCHEDULED EVENTS & A NETWORK OF SUPPORTERS TO HELP RAISE CONTRIBUTIONS NECESSARY & INHERENT TO RESCUE. THE TERMS FOR RESCUE ARE LIFE THEY DONT EXPIRE IN 30 DAYS.

    THIS BILL IS A BAD BILL. WE NEED A BILL TO BAN THE IMPORT OF SOUTHERN DOGS OR THAT RESTRICTS OR LIMITS THE NUMBERS OF DOGS IMPORTED FROM ANYWHERE OUTSIDE THE TRISTATE AREA. IF SENATOR LESNIAK WANTS TO PASS LEGISLATION THAT HAS A MEANINGFUL IMPACT AND ADDRESSES A PROBLEM WHICH HAS BECOME PROLIFIC AND WHICH THE FALLOUT FROM LANDS ON OUR MUNICIPAL SHELTERS AND REAL RESCUES AND THEY ARE STUCK WITH THE BURDEN OF CARING FOR THESE ANIMALS WHEN OWNERS CANT & RETAIL RESCUE WONT. MR BRESLOW’s GOFUNDME TO TRY AND RAISE MONEY FOR THE PARVO PUPPIES IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. P& T isn’t making any effort for the rescue to provide anything.
    Retail Rescue = retail-regulation+liability. That is what the business model looks like.

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  5. Lalalandlady69

    our comment is awaiting moderation.
    THIS IS THE EDITED VERSION OF MY PREVIOUS COMMENT BEING MODERATED

    Whether or not Breslow’s role in this horrendous situation unfolding here in nj was born of good intent or some other motivating factor, It may have come as a blessing in disguise seeing how it is exposing the problems this type of rescue model is rife with its own problems which will only give REAL rescue a bad name. Clearly, Mr Breslow’s idea for this business model was a bit premature & lacked any credible research into the feasibility of the plan. As it stands, REAL rescue has been invaded by puppy flippers – that is “rescues” which obtain puppies (mostly from southern states) via any means available. They routinely & consistently offer puppies they “save” despite those puppies never having been offered for adoption at its point of origin, so what are they saving them from? Then there is the example set by another group (and this is only one of MANY OTHERS operating similarly) which transports HUNDREDS of puppies from the south, EVERY 28 DAYS and disributes them to other “rescues”, shelters, and directly to prearranged adopters directly off transport. IMHO, the bill that sits on the Governors desk does nothing to address the crux of the problem which is PLAGUING NJ….THE MASSIVE TRANSPORTING OF PUPPIES FROM THE SOUTH AND CALLING IT RESCUE.
    I am typing the rest in all caps not because I’m yelling but for emphasis and visability.

    NOW I WANT EVERYONE TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING HERE…FIRST OF ALL… NJ ALREADY HAS MANY MANY RESCUES & TRANSPORTS BRINGING PUPPIES FROM THE SOUTH & WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER SOURCES -BECAUSE LETS FACE IT….AINT LIKE ANYBODY IS WAITING AT THE STATELINE CHECKING DOCUMENTS OR AUTHANTICITY NOW ARE THEY? THAT SAID, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT PUPPIES ARE A HOT COMMODITY THESE DAYS. I WANT EVERYONE TO PONDER – WHERE EXACTLY IS THIS SEEMINGLY ENDLESS SUPPLY OF PUPPIES COMING FROM EXACTLY?? THERE ARE MULTIPLE TRANSPORTERS BRINGING SOUTHERN PUPPIES TO NJ & FURTHER NORTH EVERY WEEKEND. ONE TRANSPORTER IN PARTICULAR BRINGS 300-500 PUPPIES TO NJ EVERY 28 DAYS CONSISTENTLY. WHEN IS THE LAST TIME ANYONE SAW FREE PUPPIES SIGNS ANYWHERE? DOES ANYONE THINK THAT SOUTHERNERS ARE NOT AWARE OF THIS DEMAND AS WELL AS THE PRICES PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR PUPPIES HERE IN NJ? ESPECIALLY IN THE WAKE OF HOW QUICKLY THEY ARE SEEMINGLY SCOOPED UP FROM THEIR MIDST? DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS SCOURING EVERY SOUTHERN SHELTER AND ALSO HUNTING DOWN EVERY CRAIGSLIST, NEWSPAPER CLASSIFIED & SIGNS ON FRONT LAWNS OR WHATEVER, TO PROVIDE FOR THE NUMBERS OF PUPPIES WE SEE BEING TRANSPORTED TO ALL THESE RECUES & EVEN SOME SHELTERS HERE? DO YOU HONESTLY THINK THAT THESE ARE ALL FREE PUPPIES OR THAT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE WITH PUPPIES ARE SO CHARITABLE THEMSELVES THAT THEY WOULDNT LOOK TO GET A PIECE OF THE ACTION KNOWING THAT THEIR PUPPIES ARE FETCHING A MINIMUM OF $$400-$$600 ON AVERAGE HERE IN NJ? AND DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THOSE GATHERING UP ALL THESE PUPPIES ARE GOING THROUGH ALL THOSE TROUBLES OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEARTS KNOWING THAT THE 10 PUPPIES THEY JUST DROPPED OFF COULD BE WORTH UPWARDS OF SIX GRAND & THEY SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS OF THEIR TIME & THEN GAS MONEY & TOLLS FOR THE OWNER OF SOME RETAIL RESCUE TO REAP ALL THE REWARDS? IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE. WHILE THERE MAYBE A MORE PUPPIES BORN IN THE SOUTH BECAUSE PEOPLE DONT SPAY & NEUTER…THERE ARE NOT THAT MANY ACCIDENTAL PREGNANCIES TO BE STATISTICALLY ABLE TO PROVIDE ENOUGH FREE PUPPIES TO ACCOUNT FOR THE COMBINED QUANTITIES WHICH ARE COMING TO NJ AND FURTHER NORTH ON A WEEKLY BASIS., AS THOSE IN THIS TYPE OF RESCUE EXPECT US TO BELIEVE. ANYONE WHO DOESNT SEE THAT THE ONLY WAY THE DEMAND FOR THE QUANTITIES WE SEE BEING IMPORTED ABSOLUTELY INCLUDE PUPPYMILL, AMISH BRED, & BACKYARD BREEDERS PUPPIES. AND THE TITLE OF BROKER AS TINA LANE IS REFERRED TO IN THE ARTICLE, IMPLIES SHE IS BEING PAID & GUARANTEED SHE HAS PAID OTHERS TO ENSURE SHE HAS DIBBS TO A GUARANTEED NUMBER OF PUPS. ITS THE ONLY WAY SHE CAN BROKER A RELIABLE & REGULAR SUPPLY OF “RESCUED” INVENTORY FOR THE RETAIL RESCUE TO REMAIN SOLVENT.

    EVERY REAL RESCUE I KNOW VETS THEIR DOGS/PUPPIES AVAILABLE FOR ADOPTION. AGE APPROPRIATE DOGS ARE FIXED & CHIPPED PRIOR TO ADOPTION, THOSE TOO YOUNG OR WITH REASON, NOT FIXED, ARE REQUIRED TO LEAVE SUBSTANTIAL DEPOSITS WHICH ARE REFUNDED AFTER PROOF OF S&N IS PROVIDED OR ADOPTION IS NOT FINALIZED UNTIL S&N IF COMPLETED. LEGIT RESCUES STAND BEHIND THEIR DOGS FOR LIFE AND SPEND THOUSANDS IN VET BILLS IN ANY GIVEN YEAR, FOR WHICH THEY USE ADOPTION FEES, SOLICIT DONATIONS & HAVE & HOLD MANY CREATIVE FUNDRAISERS TO GENERATE $$$ NEEDED TO PAY EXPENSES INCL MEDICAL THAT THE RESCUE INCURS. IF THE BUSINESS MODEL THAT MR YOUMAN & MR BRESLOW DEVELOPED FOR THIS BRICK & MORTAR RETAIL RESCUE CAN NOT AFFORD TO COVER THE HEALTH ISSUES WHICH THE PUPPIES THEY “RESCUE” PRESENT WHETHER BEFORE OR AFTER THEY ARE “ADOPTED” THEN THEY SHOULDNT BE RESCUING AT ALL OR SHOULD BE TWEAKING THEIR BUSINESS PLAN TO INCLUDE SCHEDULED EVENTS & A NETWORK OF SUPPORTERS TO HELP RAISE CONTRIBUTIONS NECESSARY & INHERENT TO RESCUE. THE TERMS FOR RESCUE ARE LIFE THEY DONT EXPIRE IN 30 DAYS.

    THIS BILL IS A BAD BILL. WE NEED A BILL TO BAN THE IMPORT OF SOUTHERN DOGS OR THAT RESTRICTS OR LIMITS THE NUMBERS OF DOGS IMPORTED FROM ANYWHERE OUTSIDE THE TRISTATE AREA. IF SENATOR LESNIAK WANTS TO PASS LEGISLATION THAT HAS A MEANINGFUL IMPACT AND ADDRESSES A PROBLEM WHICH HAS BECOME PROLIFIC AND WHICH THE FALLOUT FROM LANDS ON OUR MUNICIPAL SHELTERS AND REAL RESCUES WHEN THEY ARE STUCK WITH THE BURDEN OF CARING FOR THESE “ADOPTED” PETS WHEN OWNERS CANT & RETAIL RESCUE WONT.
    Retail Rescue = retail-regulation+liability. That is what the business model looks like.

  6. Dori

    I believe they can be charged under title 4 just like any other person that sells a puppy without “Proper veternary care”. Its against the law, many laws actually. Any responsible rescue would pay the medical costs, as well. I foster with a rescue, and we always pay for all medical if somethiing happens that could have been a pre-existing conditon. We also, if possible, help new adopters with expenses if something unexpexted occurs, and we even help with getting them a trainer if behavior problems happen in the future. Thats what rescues should be doing, you stand behind your adoptions no matter what, no matter how long.

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